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Back to Herewego's comment about Stored Wealth

Amidst this great discussion of human history, manipulation, and motivation, I keep going back to Herewego's comments on stored wealth:

"Maybe (stored) wealth just isn't 'sustainable'.  ...that is what we were discussing - what to do with large amounts of money.  The planet does not offer super easy ways for individuals to store enormous quantities of easily accessed personal wealth like money does. Winter food, a few years worth of winter wood, seed, high quality soil, good water setups - it's all so much less instawealth than the half million in money one is supposed to store to be wealthy.  One has to work, and wait, and work with such Earth-derived forms of wealth.  Maybe huge personal amounts of monetary wealth just don't really work out in the real world." 

I was thinking the same thing recently as I contemplated building a root cellar for our community.  The natural world only allows a few months to a few years of stored wealth, then it all decays into microbial fodder for the next regeneration of "wealth".  Further, the behaviors that arise when we have an excess of "unnatural" stored wealth often include overconsumption, obesity, waste, hoarding, and isolation.  The overconsumption seems to have, perhaps, the greatest deleterious effects on human health & relationships & the environment. 

If my wealth were stored in winter squash, rather than dollars, would I hoard the squash until it rotted or gorge on it until I became obese?  No, I would give it to my neighbors, trade it, barter with it, donate it, and would feel connected and safe knowing that "what goes around, comes around".   

I have the requisite half a million dollars that TPTB told me to work for, and save for, and sacrifice for.  It does not make me feels secure.  The root cellars that I am building this fall may feed 40 - 50 families.  Right now, those families don't even know they need it.  Yet the $3K spent on cinderblock & cement, $500 on excavation work, and 2+ weekends of hard labor make me feel more secure than money in the bank.  Our entire concept of stored wealth is changing - it has to. 

What if our stored wealth were measured not only in terms of our own preparedness, but in the health and resiliency of our entire community?  Wouldn't I happily feed my neighbor's children, knowing that they would be the ones to help me when I'm too old to shovel snow or turn over my garden beds? 

This view of stored wealth requires us to live in the present, to value work as an integral part of life instead of toggle switch that turns on at age 18 (or 14 or 22) and turns off at age 62 (or 65 or 67.5).  Contentment occurs when we have enough stored food and enough friendship to get through the winter.  Security comes from community, not  from Smaug's pile of gold.  (Yes, I have my pile of gold, too.) 

If this concept of stored wealth could become the new model - idealistic as it may be - then I'm all for it.  As for the financial collapse - Bring it on!  Just let me finish getting materials before the trucks stop hauling cement.

We all have work to do. 

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revolution against the overlords

The good news is, we have the power to stage a solo revolution against the overlords.

CAF talked about the "tapeworm economy":

... What a tapeworm does is inject into you a chemical that makes you crave what's good for the tapeworm — so you are the one who feeds yourself whatever it is the tapeworm wants.
 
And so you go through this process where you feed the tapeworm and the tapeworm grows stronger and stronger and stronger, and you grow weaker and weaker and weaker.
 
And that's a very beautiful description of our relationship with what Eisenhower called the "military-industrial complex" — and the financial sector — which has grown like a big, fat tapeworm, particularly in the past fifteen years.
 
Because if you look at the tapeworm economy, the media feeds us information about what's good for the tapeworm and bad for us. So we watch TV or we listen to the TV news, and we're encouraged to do things that make money for big corporations, but in ways that reduce either our physical equity or our financial equity.
 
So they get richer and we get poorer. And so we have this dynamic where we're the host, and we're feeding the tapeworm, and the more we feed the tapeworm, the more powerful it gets, and the more we lose.
 
So a tapeworm economy is an economy where a few insiders can constantly drain subsidy from the outsiders in a way that preserves their wealth, but it shrinks total wealth, because the host is getting weaker and weaker and weaker.
Individually, we have the power to stop feeding the tapeworm, but it requires going against the flow of the rest of society to do so.  We have to consciously stop consuming the things the tapeworm wants, and that takes effort.  I think we all know that here, but I'll repeat it just because I like hearing it myself.  I like knowing we have the power, and that its not hopeless.

Society surrounds us with marketing/propaganda that all focus on us feeding the tapeworm.  Depressed?  Don't explore to find the root cause, just take a pill.  Unhappy at work?  Buy a new car - on credit!  Easy payment terms!  You'll feel like an instant success.  Feeling poor?  Get a credit card and "live richly."  Upset about your life?  Political talk shows will push your favorite buttons: wars on christmas,  gays getting married (the horror!), guns are responsible for all violence everywhere so we should ban them all, the Iranians (or someone else) are going to end the world if we don't attack them immediately, etc.

I see society as a million tiny streams all currently feeding step by step into the grand river of the tapeworm.  I try to do my part to dry up the one tiny stream coming from my life.  I have that power, and I'm using it as best I can.

 

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Yahoo!!!!

All:

This has been a long time in the making and Adam and Jason have been working their tails off to bring this to fruition.  So a hearty thanks to both Adam and Jason!!

We sincerely hope this new Accelerated Crash Course and all the related videos can help all of us reach a new and wider audience.

Also very good news is that the way in which we produced this allows us to make changes far more readily in the future and we expect to add/subtract, nip and tuck to continue our process of refinement over time.

Congratulations team, well done!

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Actual Sadness...and high hopes
kelvinator wrote:

I'll tell you one thing.  If Trump gets elected, I'm going to be thinking about you, Chris and others who helped him win.  Hopefully, we'll all be happy with what unfolds, right?  As I say, maybe I'm wrong.  But I trust my view much more than your and Chris' thoughts on this - not even close.  We all do the best we can.

Is that a threat?  If so, what's at stake here?  Maybe I am misreading this, but I feel....threatened.  

And I honestly feels sadness over that.

I like you Kelvinator, I really do, and I honor your work and passion in the world...but where we differ, apparently, is in where and how we direct our emotional intensity.

It's a mystery to me why you are threatening to hold myself and others here accountable for a Trump win, as opposed to holding accountable a corrupt and venal DNC that bent and broke rules to elevate one of the most tarnished candidates in all of US history. 

And that concerns me.  

Specifically here with this incident, but more broadly with the hostile anger that has been generally unleashed this election...on both sides!  Sorry, the democrats actually have a lot more to answer for here than the Trump side as they have been caught on tape planning and plotting acts of violence.  As a strategy.

If I identified with the democratic party (and I identify with none, to be clear) I would personally be demanding a rigorous introspection of my party to expose the how's and the why's of its faults, not angrily blaming people who failed to rally around my venal candidate.  

I would want to know how and why my organization had come to such a station in life.  What has befallen my group to lead to such an outcome?

That is the sort of line of questioning that I would be both supporting and demanding.

In other news, I cannot wait for this election to be done with.  It's really a huge distraction and it is tearing the country apart.  It is ruining friendships.  

And, I hate to say it, that's all part of the design by people who know perfectly well what they are dong.

If we here at PP fall for it, and lose friendships because our personal buttons got pushed by professional button pushers that is a tragedy on two levels.  One, shame on us for falling for such cheap ploys.  Two, if we cannot rise above even this level of agitation, then what hope do we have of operating in any fashion of civility during the darker days ahead?

Let's rise above this, get ourselves back together as a group, and figure out what to do next.  

There's a shitstorm coming and that fact is not changed by who's president of the US.  So consider this election a test of sorts.  Can we here at PP rise above the level-1 button-pushing propaganda or not?

If we cannot, then we might as well just give up now. 

But that's not even remotely where I am.  I feel like I was born for these times.  There's something very exciting about having been born to be alive at this time.  We are all being called to greatness, to be fully alive in every sense of that word, as men and women in our full divine power.

It is time, past time really, to shed our self-imposed illusions of powerlessness and realize that there's a vast game being played, where those who understand the rules of how consciousness and creation coexist get to jump overboard, swim to the back, and nudge the tribtab rudder on this ship of human destiny.

The forces of darkness are on one side pushing with all their might, and there is an increasing pod of people on the other side shoving in the other direction.

This election has simply exposed what's been there all along, not created anything new.  There are no new dangers in either Trump or Hillary that have been revealed.  At least to me.  Trump has not created one single new racist...he's merely exposed racism that's been there all along, something black people have been waving their arms frantically about for decades, most recently under the uncaring nose of Obama of all people.  Hillary has not been any more corrupt during this campaign than she has been her entire career.  

It serves no purpose at all that I can detect to try and blame the figureheads in play here for the underlying darkness their candidacies have exposed.  Or their followers.

Instead, the invitation is to jump into the chilly waters below, and confidently add your creative motion to the task of nudging the rudder with all the humility of knowing just how small you are and that you personally do not get to see anything more than a small portion of the ship's journey.  

 

 

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I'll take some responsibility for that...
ezlxq1949 wrote:

I presume I'm not the only PP reader to have noticed the sea change in the tone and tenor of PP in the last few weeks: from vague optimism to clear pessimism.

But that's OK: PP is coming to terms with the fact that the world is NOT going to change course until forced to, and that will be destructive and painful.

I knew that when I began to write more specifically about the Environment "E" that not only would more pessimism arise, but something deeper I'll call grief.

I'm not totally clear on the right word, because for me the feeling is a mixture of dread, shame and sadness. 

The dread from the sense that all of this is unstoppable, which is itself rooted in the profound gap between my complete faith in the individuals I know and my utter lack of faith I have in the big blob of humanity to do the right thing (without being forced to).

The shame comes from the feeling that everything in the entire world, human and natural, is magical, spiritually derived, and the manifestation of consciousness and energy dancing in ways I can barely detect but struggle to describe.  This quote comes close to articulating the source of my shame.

"Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature. Unaware that the Nature he is destroying is this God he is worshipping." - Hubert Reeves

It seems beneath us to be so unconsciously and carelessly destructive.  We can be more, so much more than we choose to be.  Maybe shame is too strong, perhaps I am just embarrassed for how we are behaving, as if one of my children went into a beautiful temple and carved their initials into a previously unblemished 1,000 year old elegantly carved wood panel.  My god child, what were you thinking?  Oh...you weren't...

My sadness, I now realize, comes from the awareness that I am connected to everything and all life.  As the strands of the web of life break something breaks inside of me.  When I read about the loss of the Rhino species, sadness arises, but I wonder if I did not already know that information on some level before reading about it. 

To me this helps to explain the deep seated anxiety that so many people express, in so many ways, rich or poor, S&P at new records notwithstanding.  We are all aware on some level that the very container in which we were formed is being destroyed by our own actions.  Imagine waking up one day and discovering that in a heroin induced haze you had irreparably harmed your own mother in body and spirit.

Regret, sadness, shame...those will be the legacy emotions that our species will need to process as a result of our fossil fuel induced haze.

So yes, this material runs deep and I am extremely proud and encouraged by my association with the people here at PP who are not afraid to wade into those turbulent waters, look the demons in the eye (even if that means looking in the mirror), and taking the first steps towards recovery.

Thank you all, from the bottom of my heart.

 

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Buying "Investments" will not work as it is intended

I am a big supporter of Chris and his work, and I know he is not necessarily selling anything, but I don't think the message the video is sending out is right. In 2006' when I was really waking up, I was lured into the same nonsense of things are going to be bad, but if you just follow me and buy the "good" stocks everything will be great, and you will be wealthy. I really do believe in the main thesis of Chris' work, but I don't think anyone gets out of pain by buying certain investments.

 

After years of research and anguish, I eventually came to the conclusion that the only sane thing to do is opt out of as much as possible. So.....

*Get out of debt

*Grow and provide for yourself as much as possible

*Cash out of the bank

*Physical gold and silver

*Get rid of the TV

*Get out of the consumer mindset as much as you can, you don't need things to be happy

*Worry only about your sphere of influence, you will be happier and more successful if you do.

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mememonkey wrote: This again
mememonkey wrote:

This again speaks to the difficulty of living with parallel realities knowing the shape of a resource limited future, but living in the maw of abundant industrialized present.

It is a bizarre straddle, isn't it?  It's one of the hardest parts of the psychological portion of the larger transformation we in this community are (by and large) striving to achieve.

We have a vision and -- one could say -- a foreknowing of coming times, and we are surrounded by an appalling mixture of ignorance, avarice and narcissism.  We (and please forgive my "we" and my Vast Generalizations about that "we" in service of my larger point) are on some level attempting to change the world by changing our own little corner of it, and we want to illuminate the reality of things for everyone but we often cannot even get through Thanksgiving dinner without somebody needling us about being a prepper, much less get those near and dear to align their living with the reality of what's to come (indeed, what is upon us already!).

And then we are invited to a wedding, or a friend dies, or heck it's Christmas and it's Mom's turn to host and she happens to live on the opposite coast.  And we buy an airplane ticket or two.  

LTG and Peak Cheap Oil and The Death of Fiat and the Ongoing Collapsification of Consume-O-World, and our butts are in seat 23C somewhere over Nebraska heading home to drink mulled wine and watch the grandkids open a stupefying number of presents.  

Cognitive Dissonance, indeed.  I don't have a cure, y'all, but I want you to know I feel you feeling that feeling.  

What I can offer is this:  I take the psychological and spiritual energy (oh yes, IMO this is in part a spiritual malaise) and I use it to do something useful.  What you do with it could be different, but what I have been doing of late is this:  

After a couple years of pushing as hard as I could all the time on every front of prepping and shifting relationships and cultivating community and downsizing my lifestyle etc. etc. I found that while I had made progress (and a few people in my circle had done the same), almost nobody else I knew personally had shifted a half-inch.  I learned the hard lesson that I can't change the world -- I can only change myself.  The world's just too damn big.  The gears of history could grind a thousand of me to dust without even noticing that I'd smudged them with my lifeblood.  Which is a humbling piece of perspective.  And in many ways, also liberating.  I don't have to save the world, or everybody around me.  Just myself.  

Now, if I go ahead and do that ("save myself") and carry on with my life and I seem to be having a pretty good time, people in my vicinity may get curious about what I'm up to.  So in my current life situation, I'm merely doing my thing and thereby holding space for people to possibly decide they'd like to change their lives in certain ways.  I'm not pushing people.

The other big thing that keeps me not only sane but generally very happy and enthusiastic -- in spite of the cognitive dissonance and the endless parade of horrible news everywhere you look -- is aggressive gratitude.  Finding things to give thanks for daily, hourly, every minute possible.  It takes on a life of its own after a while and shifts my mental space and energizes me.  I do not make a lot of money but I am the richest man I know.

Now to go make some haricot vert because my woman loves them and she's home from work in 40 minutes...  And the presence of a happy woman is riches.  <smile>

VIVA -- Sager

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Be careful with your style of criticism

GerrySM --

I'd advise a different approach here when submitting critical feedback. Noting that you're a relatively new member here at careernight-msk.com, I'm offering this in the spirit of increasing your odds for success in getting Chris and/or me to respond in the future.

Chris and I are much more likely to engage with a cooly-presented direct question. "What role, if any, do you think climate change played in contributing to Harvey's potency?" is a fine example.

A good question. One we'd do our best to give a thoughtful answer to.

But we don't respond well to rants, attacks, or petulance -- or all three, as I interpret to be the case with your comment. Whatever the topic, we have no interest in allowing ourselves to be pushed into reacting to every person's pet cause that we may or may not have addressed in our work.

But a curious, respectfully-presented question or debate? We love those. Critical feedback is absolutely fine, as long as our site's posting guidelines are respected.

Oh, and provided the criticism is well-founded. For instance, your primary complaint is that there's been "no mention" on this site of the role that higher temperatures in the Gulf played in Harvey's prodigious force.

That is not accurate.

Here are Chris' words, taken from the transcript of this week's Off The Cuff discussion with Charles Hugh Smith:

So what we’re seeing in Houston is this is now being called a 500-year flood event, but actually it might be a 1,000-year. In fact, we might not have any records to say we can compare this to anything. So it’s a "once in forever" kind of thing. But the truth is that Houston has now experienced, in the last five years, three so-called "one in 500-year" flood events.

So let me just break this down for a second. It doesn’t mean that once you have a one in 500-year flood event that you're supposed to wait 499 years for the next one. It means that there’s a .02 percent chance of that happening in any given year. But for three of those .02 percent chances to happen within a five-year span tells you that there’s something wrong with our statistics, or we have uncertainty now because something has changed. 

It’s been noted now that the Gulf is now 1.5 degrees Celsius warmer than it was in prior decades. That contributes more heat engine warmth and moisture that can then be used by a storm like Harvey to come along and do the kind of damage it did. So we’re now a little bit more certain that these things happen more regularly. Sandy said that, Katrina said that, and now Harvey.

We can tolerate you overlooking this clear evidence in your haste to comment. You're not a paying subscriber, so you don't have access to the OTC transcript. Of course, had you simply asked us our position on the matter, we would have clarified it for you.

But your tone, sir, we won't tolerate.

Please take the direction above under advisement in your future comments. Else you highly likely won't get a response from us, and will likely see any similar comments which are in violation of our posting guidelines removed by our site moderators.

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And You'd Lose That Bet
paulanders wrote:

Even though you've had a change of heart, and are now against the banking industry, I'd be willing to bet the money that was once made by you in this industry still sits in your bank account...

Be careful what you assume.

It wasn't so much I had a "change of heart". I never was in love with banking, nor felt proud working in the industry.

When my plans to go to medical school changed during my senior year in college, I needed to find a job quickly and was recruited on campus into an i-bank analyst program. Once I arrived on Wall Street and learned how things operated, I developed a hatred for the banking cartel and used business school as a means of ejecting from it.

Not saying this doesn't absolve me from the culpability of my time spent working for the rapacious system. But I wasn't a cheerleader for it.

Also, back in the mid-1990s when I worked on Wall Street, a fresh-out-of-college analyst like me was low man on the totem pole. Not only did this mean I worked 80-100 hour weeks, but the pay (especially on an hourly basis) was pretty poor.

The money had yet to trickle down much below the Vice President level back in those days. That all changed once the Tech sector offered a path to earning good/great money with much less abuse -- but that revolution happened after my time. When I was there, it was a "There's the door if you want to leave. There's a long line of kids who'd kill to take your place" attitude towards the analysts and associates.

My first-year salary was $30k/year, which even back then left little money for other living expenses after you paid your Manhattan rent.

The money I was able to save paid less than half my loans for grad school.

Again, I'm not expecting any sympathy for my experience there nor think I deserve any. I'm just setting the record straight: I never drank the Kool-Aid, nor got rich from my time there.

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Syria Not A Moral Issue
Andremacd wrote:

 While we only have the usual tainted media outlets to follow, it does seem that using nerve gas on innocent people crosses a threshold. From a moral point, does the US and the world not have some obligation to intervene? My point is, why is there such a strong undercurrent suggesting that this is all fabricated by the US?

Andre,

For morality to truly exist, there must be consistency.  It is not possible for morality to be conditional, as in, sometimes banned weapons are okay with us and other times they are not.

Either they are or they aren't.

I know the MSM is working double-overtime to spin this as a human rights issue, but I will note that the same MSM press was utterly silent when it was shown that Isreal repeatedly used white phosphorus on civilians during the last Gaza uprising (Operation Desert Shield, 2008-9, Link).

That, too, was an atrocious use of a thoroughly banned weapon, but the U.S. was not only silent on the issue, but vetoed a UN censure of Israel that came on the heels of a 575-page report documenting a wide array of war crimes against civilians, including the direct targeting of occupied schools, hospitals, water systems, police stations, water wells, and UN buildings, with lots of civilian deaths and misery.

As far as I am concerned, dead is dead, and whether they are sanctioned weapons or banned weapons is splitting hairs, but if we are going to go the "moral" route, then there really isn't any wiggle room.  You either honor and obey the moral principle in question, or you don't.  

If kicking puppies is morally reprehensible to you, then it is.  You cannot claim that kicking Labrador puppies is a moral crime but pit bull puppies are fine to kick because, you know, special circumstances, and you know someone who had a bad experience with one once.

By picking and choosing directly opposite responses to two nations in the exact same region, the US is demonstrating that it is finding excuses for its chosen positions rather than resting on true humanitarian principles.  At least to me.

So I have to wonder what the real position is, what the true aims are of the U.S.  I find that to be useful speculation and, I have to admit, almost reflexively reject whatever reasons are being handed to me through the media as being certainly and carefully off-target.   I always want to look deeper, and especially when it comes to geopolitical maneuvers, because nothing is ever as it seems.

Finally, I lost all faith and trust in the branches of the U.S. government that advocate for war when it comes to 'evidence' after the obviously faked WMD evidence dished out during the run up to the Iraq war. Manufacturing evidence to provide a case for war has a long and rich history in humanity, and I am especially deeply suspicious of any and all claims made in support of military action.

The evidence has to be crystal clear and independently verified by objective parties.  Sadly, anything released by the Obama administration will not meet my standard.  Nor did anything released by the prior administration.  

Both proved themselves incapable of operating in a trustworthy manner, but especially when it comes to acts of war.